F-15 emergency landing

[Horizon]

Den här var faktiskt riktigt spännande.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKEgxBu1TME

Edit: Trodde det stod lite kommentarer om filmen till höger, men såg att det bara var information om F-15. Anyway... killen råkar ut för motorbrand i höger motor och det fortsätter brinna trots att han stänger ner motorn (finns det släckare i motorerna på en F-15?). Gör en emergency landing i ganska (understatement ) hög fart och får inte stopp på grejerna innan banan tar slut. Tror han skjuter ut sig precis vid banänden. Bitchin' Betty fortsätter iaf att prata när flygplanet rullar runt i gräset...

Edit:

En kommentar till filmen som jag hittade på nätet (kommentaren alltså...)

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Emergency: Engine fire.

Flight Lead thought he had an engine fire, had his wingman check it out: Correct, that's one of the major reason fighters fly with wingmen, just for such a situation as this.

@ 0:48 Flight Lead declares an emergency and states intentions: Correct

@ 1:23, wingman reports confirmed fire in right engine-says to shut it down: Sorta correct. Good on wingman, was exactly what he should have done. Bad on lead if he hadn't shut down the engine yet.

@ 1:41, Wingman says fire is still burning: Good on wingmen, he needs to let lead know what's going on

@ 1:56, Wingman asks to confirm engine is off: Debatable. He takes 15 seconds to ask, but on the other hand, he probably doesn't want to clutter up the radio if flight lead has his hands full.

@ 1:58, Flight lead confirms he has engine off: Either he had it off for a while, or he just turned it off. If it was off for a while, he was wrong. He should have got an update from the wingman much sooner. If he just turned it off, he was wrong because he took WAY too long to perform that critical action.

@ 2:00, Wingman RE-confirms there is a fire in the right engine.

Stop. There is one action now. Only one. EJECT. That's it. Period. Dot. The end. No debate. This isn't WWII. People don't deadstick flaming aircraft anymore. Every engine fire checklist in every ejection seat aircraft in the USAF ends with: If a fire is confirmed eject. He needed to state his intentions to his wingman, get his stuff together, get in a good ejection envelope, and punch. There's no other answer. None. Yeah, if you're over a city or something, it may be a good idea to quickly point the aircraft in a more open spot if the pilot still has control, but where that flight was taking place there is farm land and that's about it.

@ 2:10, Flight Lead states he will fly back to land: Wrong. Dead wrong.

@ 2:15, Wingman says "copy": Dead wrong. As a wingman, he shouldn't tell lead what to do, but reminding lead what the checklist actually says to do might be a good place to start. Actually, that's what he's supposed to do.

@ 3:07, Wingman says "Misty 1, it's your call, but this thing is burning." : Wrong. He was trying to not step on leads toes, but at this point, itââ,¬â,,¢s clear #2 knows what's going on and knows the correct steps. Eject. He's no longer helping lead like he needs to. Lead gives no response.

@ 3:34, Lead asks to confirm right engine on fire, gets conformation of fire still burning: See above.

@ 3:43, #2 tries to throw lead a hint of fire stagnation once he slows down. Itââ,¬â,,¢s his way of saying "follow the f'ing checklist" but lead isnââ,¬â,,¢t getting or chooses to ignore the hints.

@ 4:00, Lead, "This is going to be a bad one.": That should be a clue that the steps being taken are wrong ones.

@ 4:10, Lead asks #2 to go over the stagnation again, #2 again tries to throw a hint. Wastes 19 seconds talking. #2 is making things worse now.

@ 5:02, once lined up with the runway, lead is flying 350 knots on a straight in. That's crazy. He's about 180 knots too fast. Aircraft want to fly and even being 10-20 knots fast drastically lengthens landing distance (up to 50% in some cases). Think what 180 knots will do.

@ 5:25, he is having extreme difficulty controlling the jet at 300 knots with the gear down. Fighter type aircraft are much more sensitive than most people would assume and at that speed and configuration, his aircraft is extremely sensitive. He's getting into pilot-induced-oscillations as he's tiring to get it down. That's an extremely bad place to be when landing. Hundreds of people have died because of that though the years.

@ 5:33, he finally smacks it down at 260 knots. Tires aren't even rated to go that fast on most aircraft (not sure about the F-15 though). He's going way to fast to aero brake. If he pulls the nose up like he's supposed to, the aircraft will start flying again.

@ 5:51, wingman tells lead to "get it stopped." Waste of airtime again. Entirely unhelpful.

@ 5:52, Lead says he can't stop and he'll need to punch: Un-needed, un-helpful communication, wastes his brainbites.

@ 6:07, Only kills about 80 knots, STILL hasn't ejected. Wingman FINALLY says to "get out." That's something he should have said at 1:41 or earlier.

That the aircraft ended upright is a surprise. Most aircraft in that situation flip over which usually results in the death of the crew.


People don't think as clearly in situations like this and don't perform as well in new situations. That can't really be faulted. What can be is completely disregarding established procedure and checklists. Fighters fly in at least 2 ship formations in part for situations like this. The non-emergency aircraft can help out the emergency aircraft. In this case, the wingman, who had a normal jet, didn't help out much, and when he tried to, it wasn't helpful. For whatever reason, flight lead didn't want to eject. Even when he knew 100% he had to, he still didn't until it was almost too late.

There were many breakdowns along the way, and many things that could have been performed better. That's way it was used as an example of how not to do things. We also had a clip of a good example of an emergency and it was awesome hearing how things worked. It was completely different. Sure, there were a few "mistakes," nothing can be perfect, but the mistakes didn't really detract from how the emergency was resolved.

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[Horizon]

lol, på temat emergency procedures...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAEw7dEcxg&NR=1

Sen har vi killarna som verkligen läst på EP och skjuter ut sig... lite för tidigt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JgP5uMNYWc

[Rivvern_]

Chinooken var ju i ett rätt jobbigt läge. Snacka om risk för soldaterna.

Den sista filmen med Intruderna är ju Justin Case som lagt upp. Lol kan man säga.

[Brat]

Intrudern var ju lite lättare utan piloter och katapultstolar med huvar, en bra förklaring står där, kroken gick av, för att det skall hända så måste ju planet ha bromsats in ganska kraftigt, så att det inte skulle fortsätta att flyga med allt ombord var nog ganska säkert, bäst att dumpa barlasten!

[Horizon]

Precis den kommentaren gav en kille på flygforumet och han blev hånad som faen.

[ft]

Vilket flygforum?

Det är helt rimligt, nämligen. Och de fick order att skjuta ut sig av LSO:n. Då gör man det...

[Horizon]

Ja det var säkert helt rätt.

Här är en kille som drar iväg i en jävla fart. Hur klarar ryggen och nacken en sån acceleration??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGoSCX9V4fo&NR=1

[Rivvern]

På mindre än en sekund så är han utskjuten och sitter nästan i skärmen.... otroligt.