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Övriga spel => Övriga/Gamla godingar => Topic started by: Lupson on June 01, 2003, 12:13:29

Title: Rapport om M1A1 i Irak
Post by: Lupson on June 01, 2003, 12:13:29
http://www.sftt.org/PPT/article05242003a.ppt
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Horizon on June 01, 2003, 12:58:48
Väldigt intressant dokument!

Flera saker var värda att notera, bland annat följande, när en Abrams förstördes av friendly fire:

"Took one thermite grenade, one sabot in turret ammunition compartment, and two Maverick missiles to finally destroy the tank.  Ended up compromising the SAP armor package during the destruction process."

Har alltid trott att en direktträff med en AGM-65 gör makaroner av både stridsvagn och besättning. Det krävs alltså mer än så, om man inte får en lyckoträff...

Intressant även att de hade problem med datatrafiken inom logistik, eftersom de inte kunde komme genom sina egna brandväggar... hehe... :p
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: SledgeHammer on June 01, 2003, 13:20:18
Men Horizon då, det beror ju på vad det är för vagn du sitter i =)
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: dejawolf on October 01, 2004, 21:01:39
and what angle you're getting fired at. basically, if you hear the buzz of a jet, turn to the plane, try to shoot the bastard if he's coming in too low, then pray the missile is going to hit your front turret.
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Horizon on October 01, 2004, 23:27:40
Ja, det är väl bästa metoden att hantera attackflyg antar jag... :) Hur är det med vagnchefen i en M1, kan han vända stridsvagnen själv (så som han kan göra med tornet när han ger kommandon till skytten), eller måste han ge order till föraren att vända vagnen i en specifik riktning?
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Mr Jim on October 09, 2004, 19:43:01
QuoteOriginally posted by Lupson


            http://www.sftt.org/PPT/article05242003a.ppt

Extremt intressant herr lupson, tackar och bockar :)
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: granQ on October 10, 2004, 11:48:28
nu har jag inte läst (vilket är en dödsynd att inte göra innan man postar) men man får la göra skillnad på "slå ut" och förstöra ?

Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: SledgeHammer on October 10, 2004, 15:08:58
Precis.
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Salsam on October 13, 2004, 21:10:58
Ungefär samma skillnad som "Bekämpa" och "Nerkämpa" en vagn ;)

Och nej, VC i M1an kan inte direkt vända vagnen själv, det måste han beordra föraren att göra.

Har läst en del intressanta utv. av M1an under bägge Gulf krigen, där det framgår både mycket positivt men också massa skit.
Har aldrig gillat att ha massa saker hängande utanpå vagnarna. Tycker denna utv. visar ganska bra nackdelarna med att ha det så.

Läste även om en "oberoende" test av moderna strv där den Svenska 122an utsågs till, idag, världens bästa strv sammantaget. 122 rockar fett! :D
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Phlerp on October 13, 2004, 23:14:29
QuoteOriginally posted by Salsam
Läste även om en "oberoende" test av moderna strv där den Svenska 122an utsågs till, idag, världens bästa strv sammantaget. 122 rockar fett! :D
Enligt Bigvette kommer ju Leoparden bara på fjärdeplats (http://www.viktoria.se/~yorick/smilies/crazy.gif):-OO
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Jotte on October 13, 2004, 23:26:39
Vilka lyckas han placera före?
1. M1 Abrams
2. M60A3
3. M4A1 Sherman
?
:D :p :D
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: dejawolf on October 14, 2004, 02:57:07
i remember a few years ago they were putting the leopard 2a6EX up on top of the tank rankings, basically an STRV-122 with an L55 gun. sweden didn't choose the L55 because of the disadvantages such a long gun would have in forested areas.
in a newer test, however, the nutheads chose to rank the M1A2, challenger, and some other tank (think it was japanese type 90) before the leo2a6EX.
reason? M1A1(HA) (not M1A2) had been in combat in iraq, as well as the challenger 2.
iraq's tank fights was basically a turkey shoot. ANY modern tank is able to perform the mission with a similar sucess rate to the M1A1(HA) even the russian T-90,

well BS rankings ticks me off.
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Shar on October 14, 2004, 12:36:29
QuoteOriginally posted by Jotte


            Vilka lyckas han placera före?
1. M1 Abrams
2. M60A3
3. M4A1 Sherman
?
:D :p :D

Nej nej nej, så här ska det se ut:

1. M48 Patton
2. M24 Chaffee
3. M41 Walker
4. M8 Grayhound

Samtliga av dessa vagnar piskar ALLT europeiskt. Speciellt då Strv122 som är sämst, för den har så konstigt kamoflage. Sen så låter namnet konstigt. And don't get me started on those french rökkastarbatterier!!!
:D :p :D

Förövrigt undrar jag om Leo2A6 har samma extra takpansar som 122:an? Vet ej skillnaden mellan Leo2A6 samt EX versionen, men afaik har Leo2A6 inget extra takpansar ala 122. Eller har jag fel?
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: dejawolf on October 14, 2004, 14:48:33
the leopard 2a6 is a leopard 2a5 with a longer gun. that's it.
the 2a6EX is the STRV 122 with a longer gun and some internal differences.

and the danes has an EX hybrid, with most of the armour features of the 122 except the roof armour. i don't know if the EX has TCCS though. i think the swedes has that.
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Horizon on October 14, 2004, 19:31:26
QuoteOriginally posted by dejawolf


            i remember a few years ago they were putting the leopard 2a6EX up on top of the tank rankings, basically an STRV-122 with an L55 gun. sweden didn't choose the L55 because of the disadvantages such a long gun would have in forested areas.
in a newer test, however, the nutheads chose to rank the M1A2, challenger, and some other tank (think it was japanese type 90) before the leo2a6EX.
reason? M1A1(HA) (not M1A2) had been in combat in iraq, as well as the challenger 2.
iraq's tank fights was basically a turkey shoot. ANY modern tank is able to perform the mission with a similar sucess rate to the M1A1(HA) even the russian T-90,

well BS rankings ticks me off.

Agree. Totally. Sounds like something bigvette would blurt out in one of his personal flame wars... :-OO
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: granQ on October 14, 2004, 22:34:09
QuoteOriginally posted by dejawolf


            the leopard 2a6 is a leopard 2a5 with a longer gun. that's it.
the 2a6EX is the STRV 122 with a longer gun and some internal differences.

and the danes has an EX hybrid, with most of the armour features of the 122 except the roof armour. i don't know if the EX has TCCS though. i think the swedes has that.

now we take that ones more..

Leo 2a6 is a leo 2a5 but with longer gun,
leo 2a6EX is the Strv122 but with a longer gun..

Now shouldn't take make the strv122 gun very long?
And i always thought it was short (atleast shorter then the strv121, but maybe most of it is internal in the tower?)

Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: Shar on October 15, 2004, 00:17:06
Tror du tolkat han lite fel, Strv122 har en L44 kanon, samma som sitter i Leo2A5.
Title: Replying to Topic 'Rapport om M1A1 i Irak'
Post by: angmar on March 26, 2006, 19:12:46
Stv 122 har bättre sambandsystem.!;)
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